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We know that the Furneaux came from a place called Fourneaux, in France, around the time of William the Conqueror. However, as there are many different places called Fourenaux in France, is it not clear exactly which place is being referred to in the various manuscripts.
The sources for each of these locations, a summary of where they were found, and brief comments on each are provided below. I have provided the most likely first and the full list in a table at the bottom of the page.
In order to consider each of these places, it is important to remember that the Furneaux were Normans, and therefore likely to be from Normandy. So we will start there.
Falaise

Falaise is on the map. While not a known location of the Furneaux prior to 1066, it was the seat of William the Conqueror, so is important to consider in relation to the other sites. If you zoom in on the cluster of locations in the top left hand corner of the map above you will see they occur close to Falaise.
Fourneaux, Manche, France:

This site is proposed by multiple authors, and contemporary academics. Alternative names in documents appear to be Fourneaux-sur-Vire (1828), Fornels (1159), Furnellis (~1180), Fornaus (1253), Fourneaulx (1494), les Fourniaulx (1509). See the variations on the
family name for an interesting comparison.
Apparently Dr Katherine Keats-Rohan suggested this was the preferable site, although agreeing there is little evidence to confirm this over Fourneaux-le-Val.
Fourneaux-le-Val, France

This location has also been proposed by multiple authors. Alternative or historic names appear to have been Fourneaux, Calvados, and Furneaux-sur-Baise1. It is probably a good thing that the latter name didn’t stick.
These two first sites have higher credibility, at least in my mind, than others listed below. Primarily this is because they are all situated in Normandy, and the Furneaux history in the UK starts with the Norman invasion after all. These sites have also been nominated in various texts.
Other locations called Fourneaux
The other locations called Founeaux in the map above, are all outside of Normandy, so seem unlikely to be where the UK branch of the family commenced.
- Fourneaux, Chaingy, France
- Fourneaux, Saint-Médard-la-Rochette, France
- Fourneaux, Dunières, France
- Fourneaux, Saint-Jean-de-Maurienne
Conclusion
It seems that the most likely locations are either Fourneaux, Manche or Furneaux-le-val.
A summary of each location, comments and likelihood is provided below, as well as links to the specific location.
Summary of Places Associated with Furneaux in France
| Location | Source (Authority) | Comments | Likelihood of Originn of |
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| Fourneaux, Manche, France | Oxford Dictionary of Family Names in Britain and Ireland | Apparently only Fourneaux mentioned on it’s own without qualifiers in Normandy. Proposed by many authors once alternative names taken into account | Possible. If same as Fourneaux near St Lo and Fourneaux near Contances then mentioned in most references. |
| Fourneaux-sur-Vire, near St Lo | Proceedings of Battle Conference Patronymica Britannica | Search engine gives same location as Fourneaux, Manche. Apparently, this was only the name of the town in the early 1800s and reverted to Fourneaux. It was a manorial fief. | Possible Site apparently favoured by Dr Keats-Rohan, but there is little evidence to favour this over other sites in Normandy. |
| Fourneaux, near Coutances | Miscellanea Genealogica et Heraldica The Battle Abbey Roll | Unclear where this place is. The nearest was Fourneaux, Manche (33km away) | Possible |
| Fourneaux-le-Val, France | Proceedings of Battle Conference | Closest to Falaise, seat of William the Conqueror Proposed by many authors once alternative names taken into account | Possible Alternative site suggested by Dr Bearman |
| Fourneau-sur-Baise, near Falaise | Patronymica Britannica | Could not find on current day maps. Apparently Fourneaux-sur-Baise was a proposed name for Furneaux-le-Val, but the name didn’t stick. This is probably a good thing as the modern translation is unfortunate. | Possible |
| Fourneaux, Calvados | Oxford Dictionary of Family Names in Britain and Ireland | Seems to be the same location as Fourneaux-de-Val. Apparently, previous name for Fourneaux-le-Val | Possible |
| Le Vieux Fourneaux, Vaux-sur-Seulles, France | This only appears via search engines, not a town or commune. Not nominated by any authors. Near Bayeux | Unlikely | |
| Fourneaux, Chaingy, France | Found via search engine, not referenced in texts. Not in Normandy. | Unlikely | |
| Fourneaux, Saint-Médard-la-Rochette, France | Found via search engine, not referenced in texts. Not in Normandy. | Unlikely | |
| Fourneaux, Dunières, France | Found via search engine, not referenced in texts. Not in Normandy. | Unlikely | |
| Fourneaux, Saint-Jean-de-Maurienne | Found via search engine, not referenced in texts. Not in Normandy. | Unlikely |
- The original meaning of ‘base’ was to embrace or kiss. It means something different now https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/baise#French ↩︎
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| Unchanged: <p class="has-text- align-left">This site is proposed by multiple authors, and contemporary academics. Alternative names in documents appear to be <a href="https:/ /www.wikimanche.fr/Fourneaux" ><em>Fourneaux- sur-Vire</em></a><a href="https:/ /www.wikimanche.fr/Fourneaux" > (1828) , </a><a href="https:/ /www.wikimanche.fr/Fourneaux" ><i>Fornels</i></a><a href="https:/ /www.wikimanche.fr/Fourneaux" > (1159), </a><a href="https:/ /www.wikimanche.fr/Fourneaux" ><i>Furnellis (~1180), Fornaus (1253), Fourneaulx (1494), les Fourniaulx (1509). </i></a><sup id="cite_ref-1" class="reference"></sup>See the <a href="https:/ /furneaux.family/2018/03/ 26/furneaux-meaning- and-derivation- of-the-name/">variations on the <br>family name</a> for an interesting comparison.</p> | Unchanged: <p class="has-text- align-left">This site is proposed by multiple authors, and contemporary academics. Alternative names in documents appear to be <a href="https:/ /www.wikimanche.fr/Fourneaux" ><em>Fourneaux- sur-Vire</em></a><a href="https:/ /www.wikimanche.fr/Fourneaux" > (1828) , </a><a href="https:/ /www.wikimanche.fr/Fourneaux" ><i>Fornels</i></a><a href="https:/ /www.wikimanche.fr/Fourneaux" > (1159), </a><a href="https:/ /www.wikimanche.fr/Fourneaux" ><i>Furnellis (~1180), Fornaus (1253), Fourneaulx (1494), les Fourniaulx (1509). </i></a><sup id="cite_ref-1" class="reference"></sup>See the <a href="https:/ /furneaux.family/2018/03/ 26/furneaux-meaning- and-derivation- of-the-name/">variations on the <br>family name</a> for an interesting comparison.</p> | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| Unchanged: <li>Fourneaux, Saint-Médard- la-Rochette, France</li> | Unchanged: <li>Fourneaux, Saint-Médard- la-Rochette, France</li> | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| Unchanged: <li>Fourneaux, Dunières, France</li> | Unchanged: <li>Fourneaux, Dunières, France</li> | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| Unchanged: <li>Fourneaux, Saint-Jean-de- Maurienne</li> | Unchanged: <li>Fourneaux, Saint-Jean-de- Maurienne</li> | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| Unchanged: <p>It seems that the most likely locations are either Fourneaux, Manche or Furneaux-le-val.</p> | Unchanged: <p>It seems that the most likely locations are either Fourneaux, Manche or Furneaux-le-val.</p> | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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