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One of the first recorded person in our Family tree is one Odo (or Otto, or Eudes) de Fourneaux. This blog examines what we know if him after 1066. A subsequent blog will address his previous location before this, and his role in society. According to the Oxford Dictionary of Family Names, the Furneaux family in Devon descends from him.
There is some difficulty in identifying exactly who was who, where and when, as the information is nearly 1,000 years old. However, I have tried to cite multiple sources, and resorted to experts when original sources are lacking.
His first name
As discussed in my blog on the Furneaux Family Name there is a considerable variety in the way Medieval names were spelt, however were understood as belonging to the same person. In case we think this rather arbitrary, even today people go by different first names, with diminutives (Maggie, Midge, or Peggy for Margaret), short forms of their full names (Alex for Alexander), and that many people often use a middle name instead of a first name,. Thus, there can be considerable variety of names even though the same person is intended.
In the case of Odo / Otto / Eudes this seems to be driven more by language than anything else, with the same name being spelt differently depending on language.
- Odo [a palindrome] – Ancient Germanic Old Saxon also common in France
- Otto – [a palindrome] later German, Swedish, Norwegian, Danish, Dutch, English, Finnish
- Eudes – Medieval French for Otto
Odo, Otto and Eudes are all variants of Old Germanic ‘aud’ meaning wealth, fortune, or riches. Thus Odo de Fourneaux would literally mean ‘wealth’ (Odo) ‘from’ (de) ‘furnaces’ (Fourneaux), although Fourneaux is actually a place name. I will use Odo here, as this is the form used in the main documents we are referring to.
Just for interest, the Pope Urban II of 1088, was also called Odo, Otto and Eudes, indicating the name variant was not uncommon.
I have spend some time digging into the evidence from multiple sources which is presented here.
Summary of the Evidence
There are a number of sources close to the Norman Conquest which support the existence of Odo de Fourneaux.
The Exon Domesday – The Exon Domesday is the pre-cursor to the full Domesday, and is a far more detailed version, covering a number of counties in South West England.
The Exon Domesday gives the name as “Odo defornelt” which is argued to be a misprint or mispelling of Furnell, in Miscellanea Genealogica et Heraldica [p.273]. or which other sources note as being acknowledged as a variant spelling of Fourneaux. He held land ‘in capite”, or directly from the King, in Somerset.
The Exon Domesday is currently being digitised, so I hope to be able to update this section once that has occurred.
The Domesday Book is an amazing document as it was completed in 1085-86 and summarises the landhol of where his name appears, dings, and with it the taxes and military obligations, at the time of Wiliam’s reign.
There are no Furneaux / de Fourneaux listed in the Devon region, however there is an Odo listed as holding the lands of Cudworth, Somerset. The excerpt from the Domesday Book of where Odo appears, is provided below. Dr Robert Bearman2 contends that the Odo in the Domesday book is the same person as the Odo de Furnell listed in the Exon Domesday.
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A descendent Alan de Furneaux gave the local Cudworth church to Wells Cathedral in 1186, which places the family in charge of the area just afterwards.
The Falaise Roll – is the work of Crispin, who undertook significant research in France. Unfortunately, this source is also contested by some authors.
The Falaise Roll lists Eudes de Fourneaux as a companion of William the Conqueror at the Battle of Hastings, and as holding Cudworth ‘in capite’. [Please note that he does not appear on the acknowledged list of Williams Companions however]
Likewise, other authors argue that the Eudes de Fourneaux in the Falaise Roll is the same as Odo de Furnell who held Cudworth.
The Battle Abbey Roll is likewise meant to be a list of the companions of William the Conqueror. Difficulties with this is that there are many versions of the Battle Abbey Roll, and none of these concurs (list the same names) as the other.
Commentary on the Battle Abbey Roll list Odo de Furnell as being with William and also holding Cudworth.
Conclusion
There is evidence that there was an Odo de Fourneaux who travelled to England around the time of William the Conqueror. He was granted land from the King. Many experts conclude that the Odo of the Domesday Book is the same as the Odo de Furnelt in the Exon Domesday. The family certainly had land dealings in the area shortly after that, which would lend support to that claim. Many of these sources also claim that Odo arrived with William in 1066, however this is contested.
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Palmer J, Slater G. Cudworth. Open Domesday. http://opendomesday.org/place/ST3710/cudworth/. Accessed April 2, 2018.
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Bearman R. Baldwin de Redvers: . In: Harper-Bill C, ed. Proceedings of the Battle Conference. Vol 28. Anglo-Saxon Studies. Woodbridge: Boydell Press, ; 1995:19-46.
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| Unchanged: One of the first recorded person in our Family tree is one Odo (or Otto, or Eudes) <a href="https:/ /furneaux.family/2018/03/ 26/furneaux-meaning- and-derivation- of-the-name/">de Fourneaux</a>. This blog examines what we know if him after 1066. A subsequent blog will address his previous location before this, and his role in society. According to the <a href="https:/ /books.google.com.au/books?id= 0AyDDQAAQBAJ& pg=PA990& lpg=PA990& dq=oxford+dictionary+ family+names+ furneaux& source=bl& ots=ixruOREAWH& sig=Pmf922VF1dzbCZl29ggJ5YW1M4c& hl=en&sa= X&ved=0ahUKEwiug5va4JPaAhVBHJQKHRZgDXkQ6AEIajAK#v= onepage&q= oxford%20dictionary%20family%20names%20furneaux& f=false">Oxford Dictionary of Family Names</a>, the Furneaux family in Devon descends from him. | Unchanged: One of the first recorded person in our Family tree is one Odo (or Otto, or Eudes) <a href="https:/ /furneaux.family/2018/03/ 26/furneaux-meaning- and-derivation- of-the-name/">de Fourneaux</a>. This blog examines what we know if him after 1066. A subsequent blog will address his previous location before this, and his role in society. According to the <a href="https:/ /books.google.com.au/books?id= 0AyDDQAAQBAJ& pg=PA990& lpg=PA990& dq=oxford+dictionary+ family+names+ furneaux& source=bl& ots=ixruOREAWH& sig=Pmf922VF1dzbCZl29ggJ5YW1M4c& hl=en&sa= X&ved=0ahUKEwiug5va4JPaAhVBHJQKHRZgDXkQ6AEIajAK#v= onepage&q= oxford%20dictionary%20family%20names%20furneaux& f=false">Oxford Dictionary of Family Names</a>, the Furneaux family in Devon descends from him. | ||
| Unchanged: There is some difficulty in identifying exactly who was who, where and when, as the information is nearly 1,000 years old. However, I have tried to cite multiple sources, and resorted to experts when original sources are lacking. | Unchanged: There is some difficulty in identifying exactly who was who, where and when, as the information is nearly 1,000 years old. However, I have tried to cite multiple sources, and resorted to experts when original sources are lacking. | ||
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| Unchanged: <h2><strong>His first name</strong></h2> | Unchanged: <h2><strong>His first name</strong></h2> | ||
| Unchanged: As discussed in my blog on the <a href="https:/ /furneaux.family/2018/03/ 26/furneaux-meaning- and-derivation- of-the-name/">Furneaux Family Name</a> there is a considerable variety in the way Medieval names were spelt, however were understood as belonging to the same person. In case we think this rather arbitrary, even today people go by different first names, with diminutives (<a href="https:/ /www.behindthename.com/name/ peggy">Maggie, Midge, or Peggy for Margaret</a>), short forms of their full names (<a href="https:/ /www.behindthename.com/ name/alex">Alex for Alexander</a>), and that many people often use a <a href="http:// http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine- 23097107">middle name instead of a first name</a>,. Thus, there can be considerable variety of names even though the same person is intended. | Unchanged: As discussed in my blog on the <a href="https:/ /furneaux.family/2018/03/ 26/furneaux-meaning- and-derivation- of-the-name/">Furneaux Family Name</a> there is a considerable variety in the way Medieval names were spelt, however were understood as belonging to the same person. In case we think this rather arbitrary, even today people go by different first names, with diminutives (<a href="https:/ /www.behindthename.com/name/ peggy">Maggie, Midge, or Peggy for Margaret</a>), short forms of their full names (<a href="https:/ /www.behindthename.com/ name/alex">Alex for Alexander</a>), and that many people often use a <a href="http:// http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine- 23097107">middle name instead of a first name</a>,. Thus, there can be considerable variety of names even though the same person is intended. | ||
| Unchanged: In the case of <a href="http:// dmnes.org/name/Otto">Odo / Otto / Eudes this seems to be driven more by language</a> than anything else, with the same name being spelt differently depending on language. | Unchanged: In the case of <a href="http:// dmnes.org/name/Otto">Odo / Otto / Eudes this seems to be driven more by language</a> than anything else, with the same name being spelt differently depending on language. | ||
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| Deleted: <li>< | Added: <li><strong>< em>Odo</em></strong> [a palindrome] - <a href="https:/ /www.behindthename.com/name/ odo">Ancient Germanic</a> <a href="http:// dmnes.org/name/Otto">Old Saxon also common in France</a></li> | ||
| Deleted: <li>< | Added: <li><strong>< em>Otto</em></strong> - [a palindrome] later <a href="https:/ /www.behindthename.com/name/ otto">German, Swedish, Norwegian, Danish, Dutch, English, Finnish</a></li> | ||
| Unchanged: <li><em><strong> Eudes</strong> </em>- <a href="https:/ /www.behindthename.com/name/ eudes">Medieval French for Otto </a></li> | Unchanged: <li><em><strong> Eudes</strong> </em>- <a href="https:/ /www.behindthename.com/name/ eudes">Medieval French for Otto </a></li> | ||
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| Unchanged: Odo, Otto and Eudes are all variants of <a href="https:/ /www.behindthename.com/ name/otto">Old Germanic 'aud' meaning wealth, fortune</a>, or <a href="http:// dmnes.org/name/ Otto">riches</a>. Thus Odo de Fourneaux would literally mean 'wealth' (Odo) 'from' (de) 'furnaces' (Fourneaux), although Fourneaux is actually a place name. I will use Odo here, as this is the form used in the main documents we are referring to. | Unchanged: Odo, Otto and Eudes are all variants of <a href="https:/ /www.behindthename.com/ name/otto">Old Germanic 'aud' meaning wealth, fortune</a>, or <a href="http:// dmnes.org/name/ Otto">riches</a>. Thus Odo de Fourneaux would literally mean 'wealth' (Odo) 'from' (de) 'furnaces' (Fourneaux), although Fourneaux is actually a place name. I will use Odo here, as this is the form used in the main documents we are referring to. | ||
| Unchanged: Just for interest, the <a href="https:/ /books.google.com.au/books?id= Vo0SisK_oEsC& lpg=PT196& ots=-S9MxnIxFQ& dq=eudes%20otto%20odo%20meaning%20name& pg=PT196#v=onepage&q= eudes%20otto%20odo%20meaning%20name& f=false">Pope Urban II of 1088, was also called Odo, Otto and Eudes,</a> indicating the name variant was not uncommon. | Unchanged: Just for interest, the <a href="https:/ /books.google.com.au/books?id= Vo0SisK_oEsC& lpg=PT196& ots=-S9MxnIxFQ& dq=eudes%20otto%20odo%20meaning%20name& pg=PT196#v=onepage&q= eudes%20otto%20odo%20meaning%20name& f=false">Pope Urban II of 1088, was also called Odo, Otto and Eudes,</a> indicating the name variant was not uncommon. | ||
| Unchanged: I have spend some time digging into the evidence from multiple sources which is presented here. | Unchanged: I have spend some time digging into the evidence from multiple sources which is presented here. | ||
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| Unchanged: <h2><strong>Summary of the Evidence</strong></h2> | Unchanged: <h2><strong>Summary of the Evidence</strong></h2> | ||
| Unchanged: There are a number of sources close to the Norman Conquest which support the existence of Odo de Fourneaux. | Unchanged: There are a number of sources close to the Norman Conquest which support the existence of Odo de Fourneaux. | ||
| Unchanged: <strong><a href="http:// http://www.bbc.co.uk/ ahistoryoftheworld/ objects/RGCpXLpoRt- HfuNgQeXpfA">The Exon Domesday</a> </strong>- The Exon Domesday is the pre-cursor to the full Domesday, and is a far more detailed version, covering a number of counties in South West England. | Unchanged: <strong><a href="http:// http://www.bbc.co.uk/ ahistoryoftheworld/ objects/RGCpXLpoRt- HfuNgQeXpfA">The Exon Domesday</a> </strong>- The Exon Domesday is the pre-cursor to the full Domesday, and is a far more detailed version, covering a number of counties in South West England. | ||
| Deleted: <p style="padding-left: 30px;">The Exon Domesday gives the name as "Odo defornelt" which is argued to be a misprint or mispelling of Furnell, in <a href="https:/ /archive.org/ details/miscellaneagenea02bann" >Miscellanea Genealogica et Heraldica [p.273]</a>. or which other sources note as being <a href="https:/ /furneaux.family/2018/03/ 26/furneaux-meaning- and-derivation- of-the-name/" >acknowledged as a variant spelling of Fourneaux</a>. He held land 'in capite", or directly from the King, in Somerset.</p> | |||
| Added: <p style="padding-left: 30px;">According to <a href="https:/ /books.google.com.au/books?id= 8CleclNnw8IC& pg=PA31& lpg=PA31& dq=cudworth+ proceedings+of+the+battle+ conference& source=bl& ots=a25HtC1T2k& sig=1nKA3W9aqSxh3JCc1afVrJZy49g& hl=en&sa= X&ved=0ahUKEwi07Yvc4pPaAhXGLpQKHfs_ DgUQ6AEILTAB#v= onepage& q=cudworth%20proceedings%20of%20the%20battle%20conference&f=false">Dr Robert Bearman<span id="FnF2eu8epV6GYvWWFTEk3" class="abt-citation noselect mceNonEditable" data-reflist="[" data-footnote= "undefined">< sup>2</sup></span></a> the Exon Domesday names one "Odo Defornelt" (which other sources note as being <a href="https:/ /furneaux.family/2018/03/ 26/furneaux-meaning- and-derivation- of-the-name/" >acknowledged as a variant spelling of Fourneaux)</a>.</p> | |||
| Deleted: <p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #999999;">The Exon Domesday is currently being digitised, so I hope to be able to update this section once that has occurred. </span></p> | Added: <p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #999999;">While some authors (such as The Exon Domesday is currently being digitised, so I hope to be able to update this section once that has occurred. </span></p> | ||
| Deleted: <a href="http:// http://www.bbc.co.uk/ history/british/ normans/ | Added: <strong><a href="http:// http://www.bbc.co.uk/ history/british/ normans/doomsday_ 01.shtml">The Domesday Book</a></strong> is an amazing document as it was completed in 1085-86 and summarises the land of where his name appears, and with it the taxes and military obligations, at the time of Wiliam's reign. | ||
| Deleted: <p style="padding-left: 30px;">There are no Furneaux / de Fourneaux listed in the Devon region, however there is an <a href="http:// opendomesday.org/ place/ST3710/ cudworth/">Odo listed as holding the lands of</a> <a href="https:/ /furneaux.family/2018/03/ 30/cudworth-fortified-manor- house-held-by- odo-de-furnell- in-1086/">Cudworth</a>, Somerset. The excerpt from the Domesday Book of where Odo appears, is provided below. <a href="https:/ /books.google.com.au/books?id= 8CleclNnw8IC& pg=PA31& lpg=PA31& dq=cudworth+ proceedings+of+the+battle+ conference& source=bl& ots=a25HtC1T2k& sig=1nKA3W9aqSxh3JCc1afVrJZy49g& hl=en&sa= X&ved=0ahUKEwi07Yvc4pPaAhXGLpQKHfs_ DgUQ6AEILTAB#v= onepage& q=cudworth%20proceedings%20of%20the%20battle%20conference&f=false">Dr Robert Bearman<span id="FnF2eu8epV6GYvWWFTEk3" class="abt-citation noselect mceNonEditable" data-reflist= | Added: <p style="padding-left: 30px;">There are no Furneaux / de Fourneaux listed in the Devon region, however there is an <a href="http:// opendomesday.org/ place/ST3710/ cudworth/">Odo listed as holding the lands of</a> <a href="https:/ /furneaux.family/2018/03/ 30/cudworth-fortified-manor- house-held-by- odo-de-furnell- in-1086/">Cudworth</a>, Somerset. The excerpt from the Domesday Book of where Odo appears, is provided below. <a href="https:/ /books.google.com.au/books?id= 8CleclNnw8IC& pg=PA31& lpg=PA31& dq=cudworth+ proceedings+of+the+battle+ conference& source=bl& ots=a25HtC1T2k& sig=1nKA3W9aqSxh3JCc1afVrJZy49g& hl=en&sa= X&ved=0ahUKEwi07Yvc4pPaAhXGLpQKHfs_ DgUQ6AEILTAB#v= onepage& q=cudworth%20proceedings%20of%20the%20battle%20conference&f=false">Dr Robert Bearman<span id="FnF2eu8epV6GYvWWFTEk3" class="abt-citation noselect mceNonEditable" data-reflist="[" data-footnote= "undefined">< sup>2</sup>< /span> </a> contends that the Odo in the Domesday book is the same person as the Odo de Furnell listed in the Exon Domesday.</p> | ||
| Unchanged: <img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-123" src="https:// furneaux.family/wp-content/ uploads/2018/ 04/Reference- to-Odo-in-Domesday.png" alt="Reference to Odo in Domesday" width="674" height="168" /> Reference to Odo in the Domesday Book | Unchanged: <img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-123" src="https:// furneaux.family/wp-content/ uploads/2018/ 04/Reference- to-Odo-in-Domesday.png" alt="Reference to Odo in Domesday" width="674" height="168" /> Reference to Odo in the Domesday Book | ||
| Deleted: <span id="Yeo7FPm8bTBfbgDZqmX7d" class="abt-citation noselect mceNonEditable" data-reflist= "["432303368"]" data-footnote= "undefined">< sup>1</sup></span> | |||
| Deleted: <p style="padding-left: 30px;">A descendent <a href="http:// http://www.crsbi.ac.uk/ site/2957/">Alan de Furneaux gave the local Cudworth church to Wells Cathedral in 1186</a>, which places the family in charge of the area just afterwards.</p> | |||
| Added: <span id="Yeo7FPm8bTBfbgDZqmX7d" class="abt-citation noselect mceNonEditable" data-reflist="[" data-footnote= "undefined">< sup>1</sup></span>A descendent <a href="http:// http://www.crsbi.ac.uk/ site/2957/">Alan de Furneaux gave the local Cudworth church to Wells Cathedral in 1186</a>, which places the family in charge of the area just afterwards. | |||
| Deleted: <a href="https:/ /www.jstor.org/ stable/20086991?seq= 1# | Added: <strong><a href="https:/ /www.jstor.org/ stable/20086991?seq= 1#page_scan_tab_ contents">The Falaise Roll</a></strong> - is the work of Crispin, who undertook significant research in France. Unfortunately, this source is also contested by some authors. | ||
| Deleted: <p style="padding-left: 30px;">The <a href="https:/ /books.google.com.au/books?id= UlJmAAAAMAAJ& focus=searchwithinvolume& q=fourneaux">Falaise Roll lists Eudes de Fourneaux </a>as a companion of William the Conqueror at the Battle of Hastings, and as holding Cudworth 'in capite'. <a href="http:// dgmweb.net/Resources/Military/ Companions_of_ the_Conquerer.html">[Please note that he does not appear on the acknowledged list of Williams Companions however]</a></p> | Added: <p style="padding-left: 30px;">The <a href="https:/ /books.google.com.au/books?id= UlJmAAAAMAAJ& focus=searchwithinvolume& q=fourneaux">Falaise Roll lists Eudes de Fourneaux </a>as a companion of William the Conqueror at the Battle of Hastings, and as holding Cudworth 'in capite'. <a href="http:// dgmweb.net/Resources/Military/ Companions_of_ the_Conquerer.html">[Please note that he does not appear on the acknowledged list of Williams Companions however]. </a></p> | ||
| Deleted: <p style="padding-left: 30px;">Likewise, other authors argue that the <a href="http:// http://www.1066.co.nz/ Mosaic%20DVD/ library/people/ fourneaux.htm">Eudes de Fourneaux in the Falaise Roll is the same as Odo de Furnell w</a>ho held Cudworth.</p> | |||
| Added: <p style="padding-left: 30px;">In capite means from the King. This does not seem to be supported directly by the Domesday books, as in both the main Domesday and the Exon Domesday, Odo holds the lands of Roger Arondel. Likewise, other authors argue that the <a href="http:// http://www.1066.co.nz/ Mosaic%20DVD/ library/people/ fourneaux.htm">Eudes de Fourneaux in the Falaise Roll is the same as Odo de Furnell w</a>ho held Cudworth.</p> | |||
| Deleted: <a href="http:// scans.library.utoronto.ca/ pdf/1/11/battleabbeyrollw02battuoft/ | Added: <strong><a href="http:// scans.library.utoronto.ca/ pdf/1/11/battleabbeyrollw02battuoft/ battleabbeyrollw02battuoft_bw.pdf">The Battle Abbey Roll</a></strong> is likewise meant to be a list of the companions of William the Conqueror. Difficulties with this is that there are many versions of the Battle Abbey Roll, and none of these concurs (list the same names) as the other. | ||
| Unchanged: <p style="padding-left: 30px;">Commentary on the Battle Abbey Roll list <a href="http:// scans.library.utoronto.ca/ pdf/1/11/battleabbeyrollw02battuoft/ battleabbeyrollw02battuoft_bw.pdf">Odo de Furnell as being with William and also holding Cudworth</a>.</p> | Unchanged: <p style="padding-left: 30px;">Commentary on the Battle Abbey Roll list <a href="http:// scans.library.utoronto.ca/ pdf/1/11/battleabbeyrollw02battuoft/ battleabbeyrollw02battuoft_bw.pdf">Odo de Furnell as being with William and also holding Cudworth</a>.</p> | ||
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| Unchanged: There is evidence that there was an Odo de Fourneaux who travelled to England around the time of William the Conqueror. He was granted land from the King. Many experts conclude that the Odo of the Domesday Book is the same as the Odo de Furnelt in the Exon Domesday. The family certainly had land dealings in the area shortly after that, which would lend support to that claim. Many of these sources also claim that Odo arrived with William in 1066, however this is contested. | Unchanged: There is evidence that there was an Odo de Fourneaux who travelled to England around the time of William the Conqueror. He was granted land from the King. Many experts conclude that the Odo of the Domesday Book is the same as the Odo de Furnelt in the Exon Domesday. The family certainly had land dealings in the area shortly after that, which would lend support to that claim. Many of these sources also claim that Odo arrived with William in 1066, however this is contested. | ||
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I too am related to Peter Chaffe and Edith Furneaux. I was born in Kent but my Mothers family come from Devon. Buckfastleigh, Paignton, Tormuhun and other places. Some of my mothers family moved to Kent in the early 1900’s. Some stayed and others made their way home. I am extremely proud of the families that make up my ancestry.
That is great. Devon was certainly one of the main places in my own family tree, but I had not heard of the Kent branch. Thanks for sending that through. I am from the diaspora as a number went to Canada, USA, Australia and New Zealand on the 1800s.
I am thinking of starting more on the modern Furneaux soon, as we have so many wonderful people in the extended family.
[…] Furneaux is also listed in the Domesday book, and held more land than Odo de Fourneaux. While Odo held land, around Devon and Cornwall, Ansketil held lands to the north and north east of […]
I to am a descendant of Christopher Ferneaux and Maria Chaffe of Ashburton, Devon, of course i have tried to research back to William 1st but until i found this site had no joy.
Many Furneaux’s seem to have attended the religious colleges at Oxford,
Around 1580 an ancestor Reverend Sir Thomas Furneaux was the Vicar at Ashburton Parish church other family members were also clergymen in other local churches, Dean Prior and Buckfast Leigh indeed just outside the main door of the fire damaged church on the hill at Buckfast Leigh is a Furneaux family tomb.
I understand that there is also a tomb within the parish church at Totnes of a Sir Henry Furnillis and further family members originating from Churston Ferrers, near Paignton but no one has yet found the link to Allan de Furneaux of Fen Ottery.
Hope this will be of interest.
Thanks so much for the information – will follow these leads up when I can
Hello, I guess we are related also! Furneux remained in my family name up until the 1700 when Joan married William Harris!
It’s amazing to see where my decedents came from!
There are two Furneaux in my family history. Here are excerpts from that family history that may be of interest. Thanks for publishing this information on the Furneaux family name. My family name of Chaffe derives from the place called Chaffcombe in south-west England and the Exeter area.
Petrus (Peter) Chaffe was christened on August 16, 1629. In 1659 he and Edith Furneaux were married in Buckfastleigh, Devon. Edith was christened on February 27, 1638. Edith’s parents were the Reverend Christopher Furneaux and his wife Sibilla Furneaux (nee Dolbear). Peter and Edith had six children (John, George, Peter, Maria, Johannes and Phillipa). Peter died in 1717.
Edith Furneaux came from a long line of De Furneaux that can be traced back to the nobility of Normandy. There is some information about Count Odo Furneaux (1) who was born in France in 1040 and died at Fen Ottery, England in 1086. The Wikipedia link takes you to the page for Odo’s father, who was Count of the Vermandois. (Eudes and Otto are the same names when translated) Vermandois was an area of Normandy before it was annexed by France and you may want to click on the link to read more about its history. Or you may want to review this Chart that illustrates the lineage of Odo Furneaux back to Charlemagne, Emperor of the West. https://our-royal-titled-noble-and-commoner-ancestors.com/index.htm
James and Margaret’s eldest son, James (2), was born in 1848 and lived with his parents until he married Clara Dawn Rice, born in 1844 also from Buckfastleigh, on April 11, 1877. I found it interesting that Clara Dawn Rice’s mother’s maiden name was Furneaux, the same family name as Edith Furneaux from page 28. The 1881 census records show James, a labourer, and Clara living on Jordan Street with two children and by the 1891 census, they were at Fore Street now with four children (Clara, William James, John Gilbert, and George Rice). James was recorded as a gardener and servant and the children were all attending school. On April 26, 1898, Clara died, and the 1901 census recorded James as a widower.
Clara Dawn Chaffe (Rice), is my great-grandmother on my father’s side. She was born in 1844 and passed away in 1898. Her father was William Rice (1819-1875) and her mother was Susanna Furneaux (1816-1886). Susanna was the daughter of Samuel Furneaux (1771) and Elizabeth Pethebridge (1777).
At the time of the 1851 census Clara and her family were living with her grandparents on Fore Street, Buckfastleigh. Her grandfather was William Rice, age 57 and his wife was Margaret, age 58. Also living with Clara were her parents, William and his wife Susanna. The children residing with them, George (8), Clara Dawn (6), Sara (4) and Mary (2) were the children of William and Susanna. William and Susanna had another son in 1858 named James Furneaux Chaffe. The grandfather William Rice and his son, William Rice were both bakers. By the 1871 census Clara, now 26, was residing at the Vicarage in Buckfastleigh working as a servant and nursemaid. Some of this information conflicts, to some extent, with other information, noted below.
I have a strong Furneaux line in my genealogy and there has always been a verbal tradition in my family (Bovey) that our Furneaux ancestors arrived with William and were granted lands in the SW. My DNA has exclusively SW England and strong Norse heritage.
Hi Andrew, thanks for the comment. Yes there is also evidence from the various Domesday Rolls that he travelled with William and was definitely given lands in Devon. My DNA is also heavily Devon. Interesting re the Norse heritage as William, being from Normandy, would have been of viking stock of course.
I guess we may be related somewhere along the line as the SW based notable families intermarried repeatedly through successive generations. The Furneaux connection appears in two generations of my family tree indicating first cousin marriages during the 17th century.
Hi Andrew, there is a strong link to SW England for the Furneaux. There is some evidence that they arrived with, or shortly after, William. Certainly be 1086. There is a Furneaux listed in most, but not all, Battle Rolls.
One of the family was explored the possibility of a Viking DNA marker which might be worth exploring
All the best
Craig
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